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Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008, 02:07 pm
iamjackscolon03: coif help?

Hey everyone. I am interested in reproducing this coif. I can't figure out though whether it was silk or linen. I want to hope it's silk just so that I can convince myself to buy the fabric that I've been thinking about for forever, but I would rather just know the actual fabric. Any help would be appreciated thank you.

http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/pics/coif3.jpg

That's the link to the coif.

Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
isabelladangelo

Based off of what I've read, almost all, if not all, coifs are out of linen. I have a feeling this has to do with the same reason almost all shifts are out of linen; skin/oil contact.
Also, for the simple act of counting stitches, linen is a lot easier.

Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
iamjackscolon03

i've read that too...i had seem something on i believe the attack laurel's site where for nice coifs she'd do the embroidered layer on silk, and then have a linen lining so that if it did end up getting dirty, you could take the linen lining off and either wash it or add a new one.

Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
holyschist

All of the extant coifs, blackwork and polychrome, that I know of are on fine linen. So are the embroidered jackets.

Linen is easier to work with--but they did use very fine, tightly woven linen.

Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
damedini

From looking at the weave on the sides, I'd say linen. Silk just looks different, even when it's thick threads in a coarse weave.

Use linen for the project, especially if you haven'[t done one before, but by all means by the fabric you want and do something cool with it!

nb: I have a silk coif - I had a scrap of gorgeous embroidered silk - and I sweat like a sodden sponge in it, even in winter. Linen is much more pleasant to wear, and cooler.

Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
margorose

It's probably both. Silk thread embroidery on linen was very common.

Tue, Apr. 29th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
iamjackscolon03

yeah, i'm going to be using silk thread, and i guess i will use the nice linen i have that's been hanging out in my fabric pile waiting to be used. thanks for everyone's help!

Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 10:00 am (UTC)
attack_laurel

Hey, I got pinged by someone on this - I've done an adapted reproduction of this coif (it's on my site, in the embroidery section), so maybe I can answer you.

It's a linen ground, with black silk embroidery and gold spangles. The background embroidery is done with tiny silk stitches, in a manner called "voided work" (there are a couple of other English examples, but I don't have a link to them (they're in the Wingfield Digby Elizabethan Embroidery book).

As far as I've found, all coifs of this type (English embroidered) are on a linen ground.

Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 11:53 am (UTC)
iamjackscolon03

oops. i have to learn to read better. haha